I just pulled out NetHack – my old PC favorite that I re-play every few years, trying to win and never succeeding. They just don’t make games like that anymore – games where one wrong choice or move can cost you winning the whole thing, and ya just have to play them all over again. Masochistic – kinda, but it requires some serious strategy. Anyone tried the Fire Emblem series? Heard that was tough: makes me wish I had a Wii. Other hard games?

I have a Wii. :3 I hate hard games, though I hate easy games also... >-> I have Jak 3 and found it hard, I found KHII easy, Xenosaga III easy, unfortunately... >->, and Valkirie Profile 2: Silmeria required level grinding... >->

Ninja Gaiden is extremely hard. Even the "easy" mode in Black is hard.

Police Quest, that was a tough one, anyone remember that? I just found out my new roommate has a Wii. So I'll be able to play the new Fire Emblem. Excellent. And the new Sims game... *sheepish envy*. Not moving until November, tho.

I agree with the Ninja Gaiden thing.

I think I developed an ulcer just trying to get past the first boss.

Wizardry VII: Crusaders of the Dark Savant (made in DOS times) was a toughie that I still haven't finished. Very nonlinear RPG.

Super Mario Bros. 2 (the original japanese) is one of the hardest games ive ever played

commander keen

Americans Army cause theres so many hackers now.

Car racing games
Shooting games
The sims games
Card games
Physically strenuous games
Team games
Strategy games

are hard, just off the top of my head.
Though i havent really played many games... so i guess im still a beginner...